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31 January 2013 @ 12:37 pm
Nobody wants to take your guns  

Whenever I, or others, object to "registration" or bans on transfers, or other forms of "gun control" and firearms restrictions as steps toward an eventual complete prohibition and the confiscation that such would necessarily entail, we get told we're paranoid and "nobody wants to take your guns."

Well, perhaps we should consider these "nobodies":

"A gun-control movement worthy of the name would insist that President Clinton move beyond his proposals for controls ... and immediately call on Congress to pass far-reaching industry regulation like the Firearms Safety and Consumer Protection Act ... [which] would give the Treasury Department health and safety authority over the gun industry, and any rational regulator with that authority would ban handguns."
Josh Sugarmann (executive director of the Violence Policy Center)

"My view of guns is simple. I hate guns and I cannot imagine why anyone would want to own one. If I had my way, guns for sport would be registered, and all other guns would be banned."
Deborah Prothrow-Stith (Dean of Harvard School of Public Health)

"I don't care if you want to hunt, I don't care if you think it's your right. I say 'Sorry.' it's 1999. We have had enough as a nation. You are not allowed to own a gun, and if you do own a gun I think you should go to prison."
Rosie O'Donnell (At about the time she said this, Rosie engaged the services of a bodyguard who applied for a gun permit.)

Confiscation could be an option. Mandatory sale to the state could be an option. Permitting could be an option — keep your gun but permit it.”
Andrew Cuomo

"I do not believe in people owning guns. Guns should be owned only by [the] police and military. I am going to do everything I can to disarm this state."
Michael Dukakis

"If someone is so fearful that they are going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, it makes me very nervous that these people have weapons at all."
U.S. Rep. Henry Waxman

"In fact, the assault weapons ban will have no significant effect either on the crime rate or on personal security. Nonetheless, it is a good idea ... Passing a law like the assault weapons ban is a symbolic - purely symbolic - move in that direction. Its only real justification is not to reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation."
Charles Krauthammer, columnist, 4/5/96 Washington Post

"Ban the damn things. Ban them all. You want protection? Get a dog."
Molly Ivins, columnist, 7/19/94

"[To get a] permit to own a firearm, that person should undergo an exhaustive criminal background check. In addition, an applicant should give up his right to privacy and submit his medical records for review to see if the person has ever had a problem with alcohol, drugs or mental illness . . . The Constitution doesn't count!"
John Silber, former chancellor of Boston University and candidate for Governor of Massachusetts. Speech before the Quequechan Club of Fall River, MA. August 16, 1990

"I think you have to do it a step at a time and I think that is what the NRA is most concerned about. Is that it will happen one very small step at a time so that by the time, um, people have woken up, quote, to what's happened, it's gone farther than what they feel the consensus of American citizens would be. But it does have to go one step at a time and the banning of semiassault military weapons that are military weapons, not household weapons, is the first step."
Mayor Barbara Fass, Stockton, CA

"Handguns should be outlawed. Our organization will probably take this stand in time but we are not anxious to rouse the opposition before we get the other legislation passed."
Elliot Corbett, Secretary, National Council For A Responsible Firearms Policy (interview appeared in the Washington Evening Star on September 19, 1969)

"Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe."
Senator Diane Feinstein, 1993

"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them... 'Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here."
U.S. Senator Diane Feinstein (D-CA) CBS-TV's "60 Minutes," 2/5/95

"Banning guns is an idea whose time has come."
U.S. Senator Joseph Biden, 11/18/93, Associated Press interview

"Yes, I'm for an outright ban (on handguns)."
Pete Shields, Chairman emeritus, Handgun Control, Inc., during a 60 Minutes
interview.

"We must be able to arrest people before they commit crimes. By registering guns and knowing who has them we can do that. If they have guns they are pretty likely to commit a crime."
Vermont State Senator Mary Ann Carlson

"I am one who believes that as a first step, the United States should move expeditiously to disarm the civilian population, other than police and security officers, of all handguns, pistols, and revolvers... No one should have the right to anonymous ownership or use of a gun."
Professor Dean Morris, Director of Law Enforcement Assistance Administration, stated to the U.S. Congress

"I feel very strongly about it [the Brady Bill]. I think - I also associate myself with the other remarks of the Attorney General. I think it's the beginning. It's not the end of the process by any means."
William J. Clinton, 8/11/93

"The Brady Bill is the minimum step Congress should take...we need much stricter gun control, and eventually should bar the ownership of handguns, except in a few cases."
U.S. Representative William Clay, quoted in the St. Louis Post Dispatch on May 6,
1991.

"I don't believe gun owners have rights."
Sarah Brady, Hearst Newspapers Special Report "Handguns in America", October
1997

"We must get rid of all the guns."
Sarah Brady, speaking on behalf of HCI with Sheriff Jay Printz & others on "The Phil
Donahue Show" September 1994

"The House passage of our bill is a victory for this country! Common sense wins out. I'm just so thrilled and excited. The sale of guns must stop. Halfway measures are not enough."
Sarah Brady 7/1/88

"I don't care about crime, I just want to get the guns."
Senator Howard Metzenbaum, 1994

"We're here to tell the NRA their nightmare is true..."
U.S. Representative Charles Schumer, quoted on NBC, 11/30/93

"My bill ... establishes a 6-month grace period for the turning in of all handguns."
U.S. Representative Major Owens, Congressional Record, 11/10/93

"We're going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily, given political realities, going to be very modest. Our ultimate goal, total control of handguns in the United States, is going to take time. The first problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns in this country. The second problem is to get handguns registered, and the final problem is to make the possession of all handguns, and all handgun ammunition illegal."
Nelson T. Shields of Hangun Control, Inc. as quoted in `New Yorker' magazine July 26, 1976. Page 53f

"Our goal is to not allow anybody to buy a handgun. In the meantime, we think there ought to be strict licensing and regulation. Ultimately, that may mean it would require court approval to buy a handgun."
President of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence Michael K. Beard, Washington Times
12/6/93 p.A1

"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal."
U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, December 1993

"The sale, manufacture, and possession of handguns ought to be banned...We do not believe the 2nd Amendment guarantees an individual the right to keep them."
The Washington Post - "Legal Guns Kill Too" - November 5, 1999

"There is no reason for anyone in the country, for anyone except a police officer or a military person, to buy, to own, to have, to use, a handgun. The only way to control handgun use in this country is to prohibit the guns. And the only way to do that is to Change the Constitution."
USA Today - Michael Gartner - Former president of NBC News - "Glut of Guns: What Can We Do About Them?" - January 16, 1992

"I would personally just say to those who are listening, maybe you want to turn in your guns," Representative Sheila Jackson Lee, 2012

" 4. Any person who, prior to the effective date of this law, was legally in possession of an assault weapon or large capacity magazine shall have ninety days from such effective date to do any of the following without being subject to prosecution:
            (1) Remove the assault weapon or large capacity magazine from the state of Missouri;
            (2) Render the assault weapon permanently inoperable; or
            (3) Surrender the assault weapon or large capacity magazine to the appropriate law enforcement agency for destruction, subject to specific agency regulations."
Legislation introduced in Missouri.2013 And you can repeat the exact same thing for Minnesota

"Since assault weapons are not a major contributor to US gun homicide and the existing stock of guns is large, an assault weapon ban is unlikely to have an impact on gun violence. If coupled with a gun buyback and no exemptions then it could be effective." NIJ Memo on a new "Assault Weapon" Ban. 2013

"The sheriff of the county may, no more than once per year, conduct an inspection to ensure compliance with this subsection" (Warrantless searches by law enforcement?) Washington State Senate Bill 5737 (2013)

“the state of Iowa should take semi-automatic weapons away from Iowans who have legally purchased them prior to any ban that is enacted if they don’t give their weapons up in a buy-back program.  Even if you have them, I think we need to start taking them,” Iowa state Rep. Dan Muhlbauer (D-Manilla) 2013

California Senate Bill 374 (Steinberg 2013) would expand the definition of “Assault Weapons” to include ALL semi-auto rifles (including rimfire calibers) that accept a detachable magazine. SB374 would ban on the sale and possession of ALL Semi-Auto rifles and require registration to retain legal possession in the future.

California Senate Bill 47 (Yee 2013) would expand the definition of “Assault Weapons” to include rifles that have been designed/sold and or equipped to use the “bullet button” or similar device. SB47 would ban on the sale and possession of ALL those Semi-Auto rifles and require registration to retain legal possession in the future.

California Assembly Bill 174 (Bonta 2013) would ban the possession of any firearms that were “grandfathered “ for possession if registered in previous “Assault Weapons” gun control schemes. Californians that trusted the State of California and registered their firearms will be required to surrender the firearms to the Government or face arrest. Passage of AB174 would make SB374/SB47 (above) into confiscation mandates.

California Senate Bill 396 (Hancock 2013) would ban the possession of any magazine with a capacity to accept more than 10 cartridges. ALL currently grandfathered “high-cap” magazines would become ILLEGAL to possess and the owners subject to arrest and the magazines confiscated. ("High-cap" means a capacity that has been standard, that the firearms were designed for, since the 40's--AK pattern rifles--or 60's--AR pattern rifles.)

We want everything on the table. This is a moment of opportunity. There’s no question about it...We’re on a roll now, and I think we’ve got to take the–you know, we’re gonna push as hard as we can and as far as we can.”
Illinois Rep Jan Schakowsky says assault rifle ban just the beginning, ‘moment of opportunity’ and seeks to ban handguns (2013).

"People who own guns are essentially a sickness in our souls who must be cleansed." Colorado Senator (Majority Leader) John Morse. 2013 (Cleansed?  "Final Solution" anyone?)


"We needed a bill that was going to confiscate, confiscate, confiscate.”  Discussion among Senator Loretta Weinberg (D37), Senator Sandra Cunningham (D31), Senator Linda Greenstein (D14) of New Jersey's State Legislature, May 9, 2013

“No one in this country should have guns.” Superior Court Judge, Robert C. Brunetti, Bristol, CT. September, 2013

Proposed Missouri Bill to ban "assault weapons":
4. Any person who, prior to the effective date of this law, was legally in possession of an assault weapon or large capacity magazine shall have ninety days from such effective date to do any of the following without being subject to prosecution:

(1) Remove the assault weapon or large capacity magazine from the state of Missouri;

(2) Render the assault weapon permanently inoperable; or

(3) Surrender the assault weapon or large capacity magazine to the appropriate law enforcement agency for destruction, subject to specific agency regulations.

New York sends out Confiscation letters.

“It is extremely important that individuals in the state of California do not own assault weapons. I mean that is just so crystal clear, there is no debate, no discussion,” Leland Yee, California State Senator.

Shannon Watts (head of "Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense"): "@MikeBloomberg and I want guns gone. Period. It doesn't matter what it takes." (Twitter, 2014).

"Upon review of all the parties’ evidence, the court seriously doubts that the banned assault long guns are commonly possessed for lawful purposes, particularly self-defense in the home, which is at the core of the Second Amendment right, and is inclined to find the weapons fall outside Second Amendment protection as dangerous and unusual." U.S. District Judge Catherine C. Blake. (The "assault weapons" being described are semi-automatic weapons--meaning one shot fired per pull of the trigger--of fairly modest power, near the low end of center fire rifles.)  As for the claim that said weapons are not particularly useful for home defense.  I address that here.

" 2. No person, corporation or other entity in the state of Missouri may manufacture, import, possess, purchase, sell, or transfer any assault weapon or large capacity magazine." Bill introduced in Missouri House.

NJ.com editorial boards advocates for "mandatory gun buybacks".

http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2014/09/nj_gun_buyback_programs.html

"So do all the voluntary gun buybacks you want. But until they are mandatory, and our society can see past its hysteria over "gun confiscation," don't expect it to make much difference."
(Emphasis added in the above).

But nobody wants to take our guns?

Further updates to this list to be found on my Blogspot blog:  http://thewriterinblack.blogspot.com/2014/09/nobody-wants-to-take-your-guns.html
 
 
Current Mood: nervousnervous
 
 
 
( 37 comments — Leave a comment )
deneliandenelian on February 5th, 2013 04:59 am (UTC)
i don't remember how i ended up here at your journal.

but you have so many good points, it's kind of painful.



my favorite point about so-called "gun control" [what control other than knowing how to control a gun does one need?] is that if you make it criminal to own guns, only criminals WILL own guns. how is that BETTER?!


it's idiotic. i don't own a gun myself, for certain reasons that have more to do with money and the fact that, until i became disabled fairly recently, i felt well equiped to defend myself *without* a gun unless someone attacked me who had a gun... and they'd probably have the drop on me, so how is it useful?

now... i rather wish i had one. but, of course, i'm in pain management and "might" be suicidal, so i can't have one.
Julie Frost, writer: Schlock Overkillagilebrit on February 12th, 2013 05:29 pm (UTC)
FYI--you're probably going to be seeing a lot of new traffic and comments--Larry Correia tweeted this entry today.

Of course they don't want to take our guns! They're just saying all that stuff to appease the anti-gun well-meaning low-information voters! After all, they're the smartest people in the room, and every smart person knows that more people with concealed carry permits means less crime, and who'd be for less crime?

Thanks for gathering all this in one place. I'm stuck it in my memories and will be sure to trot it out anytime some moron says "they're not coming for your guns!"
coldservingscoldservings on February 12th, 2013 06:28 pm (UTC)
Thank you.

I saw Larry's post on FaceBook but didn't know about Twitter (I don't tweet).
StoutcatStoutcat on September 18th, 2013 07:02 pm (UTC)
Correia linked you again today in an excellent post on his blog. Expect traffic.
ext_1648268 on February 13th, 2013 02:28 am (UTC)
Thank you
Thank you for compiling this list. I fear that unless some form of major awakening happens soon, this list of quotes will become law. And I will become a criminal for holding my constitutional rights, the rights millions have bled and died for, over the sick world view of a few.

We live in a soft tyranny that is getting harder every day. I fear it is already too late.
coldservingscoldservings on February 14th, 2013 11:34 pm (UTC)
Some additions made above as of 02/14/13. I plan this as a work in progress, making additional additions as I find them.
coldservingscoldservings on February 18th, 2013 12:20 pm (UTC)
Added Warrantless searches by law enforcement for at least some gun owners in Washington State Senate bill. 2/18/13
coldservingscoldservings on February 24th, 2013 08:53 pm (UTC)
Added comment from Iowa State Rep.
coldservingscoldservings on March 7th, 2013 12:58 am (UTC)
Added various California bills.
coldservingscoldservings on March 12th, 2013 01:06 pm (UTC)
Added Schalowski's candid statement. Also added years to a few items since somebody was claiming that all the dated items were "old news" (although why anyone would believe someone like Feinstein, who remains in a position of power, has changed her spot was left unstated).
coldservingscoldservings on March 12th, 2013 03:51 pm (UTC)
Gun owners are a sickness on our souls that must be cleansed added.
Helena   Handbasketblondebaroness on April 3rd, 2013 03:01 pm (UTC)
Followed you here off of FB. Thanks. Thanks again.
coldservingscoldservings on May 11th, 2013 01:52 am (UTC)
Added recent NJ State senator discussion.
marveen silverhandmarveen on June 1st, 2013 03:46 am (UTC)
I followed a link here from FB; sticking this in my memories also and spreading the list as far as I can.

Thank you for your work on this.
coldservingscoldservings on June 1st, 2013 03:54 am (UTC)
Thank you for the comment.
coldservingscoldservings on September 18th, 2013 09:14 pm (UTC)
Added: Judge Brunetti's "No one in this country should have guns."
Jeff TalbutJeff Talbut on September 19th, 2013 03:38 am (UTC)
Thanks!
I'm happy to find such a concise and coherent list of all these quotes compiled into a usable format. It'll be saved into my "favorites" and applied judiciously.
boogieshoesboogieshoes on October 2nd, 2013 10:20 pm (UTC)
someone linked me here, and i'm glad for the list of quotes although in some respects it's rather preaching to the choir. otoh, this list is a good list to bookmark (especially since you intend to update it regularly), and i'm going to do so as a reference, thank you.

-boogieshoes
coldservingscoldservings on October 3rd, 2013 12:38 am (UTC)
You're very welcome.
Alex GarciaAlex Garcia on January 29th, 2014 05:20 am (UTC)
I saw a movie once where only the police and military had guns.


It was called "Schlinder's List."

reflexreeeeeeeeflex on February 18th, 2014 06:10 pm (UTC)
Are you still keeping this list updated? I've used it like three or four times in the past few months in arguments about gun control. Thanks!
coldservingscoldservings on February 18th, 2014 06:22 pm (UTC)
Keeping this list updated
As I come across things, I add them, yes. These days, the antis tend to be a little cagier about public statements.

Still, if anyone comes across anything, verifiable by a strong preference, that I don't have, please let me know so I can add it.
mzmadmikemzmadmike on February 19th, 2014 05:37 pm (UTC)
When they say, "No one wants to take your guns," I reply:

"So you're cool with me owning 30 assorted AR15s and AK47s, and two belt-fed Browning 1919A4s? Great. Then what are we arguing about?"
coldservingscoldservings on March 2nd, 2014 12:48 am (UTC)
Update
Updated with Proposed Missouri Bill.
Steven BeeneSteven Beene on April 3rd, 2014 06:57 pm (UTC)
They DO want to take our guns.
I have had the "Firearm Coversation" many times.

I see the "but, I only want 'common sense' gun control. I only want to ban assault rifles / handguns."

Me: "Oh, so you want handguns banned, but ONLY handguns right?"

Them: "Right."

Me: "So then if I agree with that you and yours will stand shoulder to shoulder with me trying to keep semi-automatic rifles legal and to not make registration compulsory, right?"

Them: "but, why do you NEED an assault rifle?"

Me: "So, wait, after handguns you want to go after assault rifles - which by the way is a made up term?"

Them: "No, I just want 'common sense' gun control. Why are you being so paranoid? You don't need 10 30 round magazines, this ins't Iraq."

##################################

You get the gist - it's one step after another and the goal is control and confiscation. They'll deny deny deny - or MAYBE say "that's interesting, we should talk about it."

But then you turn it around and say "Gee, that's interesting, we should talk about 'common sense' gun control ... but like you said, not DO anything."

It's about confiscation.
Mike BlessingMike Blessing on April 4th, 2014 12:44 am (UTC)
Is re-blogging this post permitted?
Thanks for posting this, and thanks to Larry Correia for posting this page's URL to Facebook.

This sort of info needs to be spread far and wide.
coldservingscoldservings on April 4th, 2014 02:08 am (UTC)
Re: Is re-blogging this post permitted?
Be my guest although a linkback would be nice.
Μαχομαιmaxomai on June 3rd, 2014 02:28 am (UTC)
Nice list. Saving for later.
reflexreeeeeeeeflex on July 7th, 2014 06:07 pm (UTC)
Here's one to add to your collection, all the more poignant and ironic 'cause it's Leland Yee:


“It is extremely important that individuals in the state of California do not own assault weapons. I mean that is just so crystal clear, there is no debate, no discussion,” said Yee.

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/05/20/cbs-5-story-inspires-new-legislation-to-ban-bullet-button/
coldservingscoldservings on July 7th, 2014 06:26 pm (UTC)
Got it.
saintongesaintonge on July 8th, 2014 11:06 am (UTC)
Yet Another
"Crime and punishment: A radical solution" by Aryeh Neier; The chapter on gun control is entitled "Take Away All Guns".

BTW, Neier was formerly National Director of the American Civil Liberties Union. Uniquely (in my experience) he asked "What would it take to enforce a total gun ban?" His answer can be summarized 'Get rid of the Fourth Amendment and the Posse Commitatus Act; we'd need to surround entire city blocks by surprise to search for guns, no warrant required.'

As a "civil libertarian", he was opposed to this. But he still wanted to outlaw private ownership of firearms, even though he didn't think it would work.
reflexreeeeeeeeflex on July 14th, 2014 03:12 pm (UTC)
Here's another one that just came out today:

http://www3.illinois.gov/PressReleases/ShowPressRelease.cfm?SubjectID=1&RecNum=12419

Relevant quote:

“We must work together to protect the lives of those we love and stop what's happening in our communities. I urge the Illinois General Assembly to take a stand and pass this legislation that will save lives and protect communities."

Governor Pat Quinn of Illinois, speaking of Senate Bill 3659 – the Illinois Public Safety Act – which would ban the possession, delivery, sale and purchase of assault weapons, large capacity ammunition feeding devices such as magazines or clips, and .50 caliber rifles and cartridges in Illinois. Valid Firearms Owners Identification Card (FOID) holders who possess any of these devices at the time the law is enacted would be allowed to keep them, but could not transfer or sell them except to a family member. The legislation also requires background checks for the transfer of firearms except to a family member or at a gun show.
reflexreeeeeeeeflex on July 22nd, 2014 12:07 pm (UTC)
How about this one? "[We need to] ban military-style semi automatic assault weapons . . ." --Hilary O. Shelton, Washington Bureau Director & Senior Vice President, Policy & Advocacy, NAACP.

The full quote is this:

"Ban military-style semi automatic assault weapons: Mili-
tary-style assault weapons are intended for a war scenario,
made for offensive military battlefields against an oppos-
ing army, and not individual protection or the precision of
target shooting or hunting. They are weapons of choice for
gangs, drug dealers, police murderers and mass killers and
have no place in civilized society."

This is from the new Kelly Report, the latest anti-gun manifesto put together and disseminated by a well financed anti-gun coalition:

http://robinkelly.house.gov/media-center/2014-kelly-report-gun-violence-in-america


reflexreeeeeeeeflex on July 25th, 2014 12:19 pm (UTC)
And then this one:

"I don't agree with that. Having long guns--rifles and shotguns--especially here in the city of Boston. I think we should have, as the local authority, some say in the matter. [And] the federal [government] doesn't really allow us to have the discretion that we want in these particular cases. ...For the most part, nobody in the city needs a shotgun. Nobody needs a rifle." --July 23, 2014, Boston Police Commissioner William Evans.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/07/24/Boston-Top-Cop-City-Residents-Do-Not-Need-To-Own-Shotguns-Rifles

Edited at 2014-07-25 12:19 pm (UTC)
reflexreeeeeeeeflex on September 20th, 2014 08:21 pm (UTC)
Here's another one:

NJ.com editorial boards advocates for "mandatory gun buybacks".

http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2014/09/nj_gun_buyback_programs.html

"So do all the voluntary gun buybacks you want. But until they are mandatory, and our society can see past its hysteria over "gun confiscation," don't expect it to make much difference."
coldservingscoldservings on September 20th, 2014 08:52 pm (UTC)

Thanks. Added. However, I'm moving this post over to my other blog, The Writer in Black, on Blogspot. Further updates will be there.
reflexreeeeeeeeflex on September 20th, 2014 08:53 pm (UTC)
Okay, thanks.
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